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may they rest in peace, and they mary memories be a blessing. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation. we'll continue to follow the breaking news. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfont, the w.h.o. reporting the largest single day increase in coronavirus cases worldwide as tensions rise between the white house and what should be the lead agency during the pandemic, the cdc. the cdc director's day is numbered. plus one doctor in china is seeing in a new outbreak there. he says dozens of patients are taking longer to develop symptoms. that could be crucial. the secretary of state saying he couldn't have retaliated against his inspector general. he didn't know he was being investigation. does the explanation add up. we have new details. good evening.
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i'm erin burnett. out front, the world health organization reporting the largest single day increase in recorded coronavirus cases across the globe since the pandemic began. according to the organization, 106,000 cases were reported over the last 24 hours. the worldwide death count now more than 326,000 with nearly one-third of those in the united states of america. this grim milestone comes as the fate of the man helping lead the american response is in question. distrust between the white house and the cdc has been building for weeks, and now a top administration official telling cnn that there have been conversations about, quote, what to do with the cdc director robert redfield. redfield has been concerned there could be a target on his back as tensions escalate between the white house and his agency. trump and his aides have been privately and publicly criticizing the cdc response to the outbreak. publicly tonight the president said this about redfield. >> i think he's done a very good job. i think -- i think that my whole
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team has done a very good job. cdc has done i think a really good job. >> this comes after the cdc quietly and finally released much-delayed guidelines on reopening last night. here they are. finally got them. just hours before the last state in the country partially reopened. so, it is 60 pages. it details schools, businesses, how they can reopen. all kinds of links to every single document that they have. the thing about this is, as you go through it, it's detailed, but talk about too late. a delay of weeks from this. it's not much different than what was in the original draft that was shelved weeks ago when states were beginning to reopen. it would have been helpful there but now it's been the wild west on reopening. officials tell cnn they did try to act earlier but they've been muzzled, their response has been hindered by a white house putting politics ahead of science whchlt americans need
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information from a trusted source, the organization that we all as americans would turn to for truth in this situation, the cdc, was essentially silent. erica hill is out front in new york. holiday weekend approaches. you've got these guidelines now. it has been a sort of complete, you know, as i said, wild west in terms of how they reopen. >> it has. it's really a patchwork approach. we know there's no one-size-fits-all approach to this for any state or even the country. that being said, without that guidance as you point out, erin, we're seeing a difference response. you can feel the desire for americans to get back to normalcy, but officials have to balance that with the very real concerns for public health. >> a 50-state experiment now in full swing. >> it's been a rough time. two months without, you know, normal operations is not easy in the restaurant business when
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there are such thin margins. >> restaurants offering outdoor dining in connecticut. hair salons originally slated to reopen today, now on hold until june 1st. >> a lot of us here today, we did what was necessary and what was called for us to do. and the rug got pulled out from underneath us. >> salons in miami beach can open today, but beaches there remain closed. >> one thing we don't want to do is rush so fast that we create a spike in the virus. >> in person car sales now allowed in new jersey. los angeles county setting a goal of reopening on july 4th as alaska declares everything will be open friday morning. >> we now have the knowledge of this virus. we all know how it operates. so, it's going to be up to us as individuals to deal with it. >> alaska is one of 18 states seeing an uptick in new cases over the past week along with kentucky. >> we're humble enough to know that it's very possible we make a decision that we've got to pull back. >> the missouri school board
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association releasing a draft plan for k-12 schools. suggestions include a delayed start and a blend of in-person and virtual learning, noting there isn't be one plan for all schools. the cdc also releasing long-awaited guidance for schools and businesses, though not for religious institutions. despite a separate cdc report detailing the spread of the virus at an arkansas church. >> other congregates have been infected with the virus, so i think we really have to be smart about this. and i think it should have included the guidelines for all groups that gather and including religious ones. >> rhode island announcing in-person worship can begin next weekend at 25% capacity. indiana's state parks, summer day camps, and baseball fields will open in most of the state this friday. ford resuming production at a chicago facility today, while temporarily closing its truck plant in deer born, michigan
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after an employee there tested positive for the virus. in new york city, still weeks away from reopening, new uv lights will help disinfect subway cars and buses, a crucial step in getting millions of new yorkers back to work safely. also in new york state the governor announcing there can be religious services, masks and strict social distancing need to be worn. he says drive in and parking lot services will be allowed and the governor is conducting a counsel to look at services moving forward. >> thank you very much, erica. that will make a lot of difference for a lot of people, just the ability to socialize. ten or fewer still makes a difference. "out front" now dr. sanjay gupta and dr. william schaffner. sanjay, the president obviously said good things about redfield tonight but we do know there's
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been tension building between he and the cdc for weeks. we get these guidelines. they are detailed. but this is what we needed weeks ago, right? and now we get them tonight. sources at the cdc are saying they were muzzled. that's their word. >> yeah. i mean i think that there's increasing evidence of that. and you know, erin, as someone who's been reporting on this for some time, i think it's gone back more than just the last few weeks. there were daily briefings, even telephone briefings from the cdc that all us reporters would listen to and get a lot of our initial information. i'm talking february into early march. there was the chief of respiratory diseases of the cdc, nancy ma son yea. she said at the end of february one time in one of these calls, it's not a question of if, it's a question of when this becomes a pandemic and affects the united states. and i tell you it was really after that, i think erin, that we really started to see the
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relationship significantly change. cdc, typically as dr. schaffner snows very much at the forefront of these things. it was around that time and around the testing roll out and things like that that we've seen the cdc just not be listened to or at the forefront of this at all. >> and dr. schaffner, sanjay points out -- it's interesting he said what dr. me sonia said. the cdc did have a misstep with testing. delays and the president was upset about that. as a former cdc official, how do you put this in context? you trust the cdc at this point to be running point on this pandemic response. >> yes, absolutely. and as an alumnus of the cdc, i'm so-called president of the cdc fan club. and i am really saddened that it's been sidelined this way because it continues to be the
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premier public health agency in the world. it ought to be leading the response against coronavirus both here and in many way influencing what's going on around the world. we would have liked that. it certainly happened in previous outbreaks whether it's ebola, zika, chicken virus, the 2009 h1n1 flu outbreak. the cdc actually led wonderfully and instructed us, gave us information about what to do locally. and there was harmony between the cdc, state, and local health departments. those relationships are still there. they need to be activated. the cdc, i would love to see come back to the fore. >> so, you know, sanjay, many states have been moving through the reopening process. the vast majority of them for weeks without these guidelines, right? this is just the facts. they have done so -- obviously you don't want a one size fits all. but they have done so counter to
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the white house guidelines which were developed in part from the cdc. even the two weeks of declining cases you were supposed to have. they didn't have this 60 page document and all these details. dr. scott gottlieb just sent out this chart of new hospitalizations now. we're weeks into the reopen here and we're about to see a surge in reopening. you're about to seal a decline of hospitalizations. this is hospitalization, not new cases. you can't put this one on testing, increase in testing. this is actual hospitalizations what do you attribute that to? >> well, it's a little bit concerning. if it was going to continue to go down, maybe we would have seen it continue to go down. but the fact that it's plateauing, you know, if you look at it as a larger sort of picture, is that maybe some early signals that the numbers may start to tick back up? we don't know. i mean, that's why we have to follow these things over weeks
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as opposed to days. you look at that graph and may 13th was a significant day obviously but that's just one day and it's going to increase the rolling average. so, i want to see -- i want to widen the aperture a little bit on this and see what this looks like a little bit over time. there's no question the numbers are going to go back up as we reopen. everybody acknowledges that. i think it's a question of how much. one thing i will say about the data, just going back to the question about the cdc, previously we were getting the data from the cdc. and then when the cdc said we're going to allow the states start reporting data, it was still supposed to funnel through the cdc. so, we had some better sense that the data was -- we're looking at national pictures and it's being validated in some way by the cdc. i don't think we have that. it's tough to read into the state by state numbers. >> it's hard because you don't know if you're looking at an apples to apples count of what you're looking at which is a basic way of explaining the things that fundamentally the
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cdc would ordinarily be doing. there's also the point about who's vetting all the announcements about vaccine progress and cure progress? there was an op-ed in the "washington post" today. he wrote -- and i quote him, faith in medicine and science is based on trust. but today in the rush to share scientific progress in combatting covid-19, that trust is being undermined. private companies, governments, and research institutes are holding governments to report break throughs that cannot be verified. the data is not immediately available for critical review. he went on. he gave multiple examples. he talked about moderna, talking about favorable results from its trial. talk about antibody increase. we have no idea how big that was. we never saw the underlying data we saw in that thing. and again you don't have anybody
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sort of vetting through all of this. does his point hold with you? does this worry you -- and the market goes up a thousand points on this unvetted report. >> well, it is confusing out there to professionals as well as to the lay public. and in this instance, we know that vaccine development is often not a straight line, and our whole circumstance regarding coronavirus and what we're learning about it changes constantly. we ought to have a sustained single source of information. that would help. and i always say don't overpromise and underdeliver. better to be a little reticent than modest. underpromise and then overdeliver and everybody will be happy. >> yeah. that's certainly not what we're seeing. i know it's unprecedented times, buts that not what we're seeing with anybody with these announcements. thank you both very much.
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>> you guilty ot it. next, new details about the president's hydroxychloroquine regimen and what the w.h.o. is warning about that drug this evening. plus a new outbreak of coronavirus in china. one dro who has seen nearly 40 patients with it says is quite different about the new cases he's seeing. this is important. and secretary of state mike pompeo defending his request to fire an inspector general who was investigating him. >> frankly should have done it some time ago. wayfair has way more ways to renovate your home,
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president trump announcing he'll stop taking hydroxychloroquine after about two weeks on the unproven drug. >> i think the regimen finishes in a day or two. i think it's a -- two days. >> that comes as the world health organization warned today about side effects of hydroxychloroquine saying there's no proof it prevents the virus as the president suggests which is very significant because we know it has been proven in large studies to do nothing to combat the virus, but the w.h.o. saying nothing to actually prevent it. and we're still of course awaiting those formal studies. but that's significant from the w.h.o. jeremy diamond is out front. the president has been taking this drug for nearly two weeks as a preventive measure, so why is he stopping now? >> it sounds like the president was prescribed a two-week regimen of this drug and that period of time is coming to an
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end in a couple of days. while the president told us he's been taking hydroxychloroquine, a daily dose of hydroxychloroquine, he was prescribed it nearly two weeks ago after one of his military valets in the oval office tested positive for the virus. since we learned that the president has been taking this drug, we have heard him repeatedly defend the drug, insisting that he believes it works despite a total lack of scientific evidence that it works either to treat coronavirus or to prevent the infection. and he's also gone on the attack, attacking all these clinical studies that have shown no effect in treating coronavirus, including one that was funded by the government's own national institutes of health. and that was conducted in va hospitals. what hasn't happened in the two weeks that the president has been taking this drug is that there hasn't been any study that has shown it is effective in treating coronavirus or that it is effective in preventing that infection. and what also stands, erin, since the president began taking this drug is the fda's warning
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that somehow shouldn't be using this outside a hospital setting or outside a clinical trial because of the concerns it could cause heart problems in certain patients. >> jeremy, thank you very much. i want to go now to our medical analyst dr. jonathan ryaner who advised the white house team under george w. bush. the regime is two weeks. he's done in two days. does it make sense to take this drug for that period of time? obviously, you know, we know there's no proof that it does what he says it does. it is being studied to see whether it's preventive although it doesn't work in terms of treatment. but does this period of time make sense to you or do you read anything into that? >> hi, erin. boy, what an unnecessary distraction this whole hydroxychloroquine thing has become. look, there are three potential settings that you could take this drug. you can take it if you're really sick with the virus. and there's a growing established amount of data that shows pretty convincingly that
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it doesn't work there. you can take it after you've been exposed to the virus, what we call post-exposure prophylaxis which is apparently how the president has taken it. and again there's no data although we're promised data soon. and finally, you can take it pre-exposure, you know, all the time, and there's zero data to point in that direction. so, either the president knows something that we don't know and if he does, then let's hear it. or more likely, the rest of us in medicine know more than he does and we just really need to stop this non-sense. there's no data existing, convincing data, that shows that this drug does anything to improve outcomes either after someone acquires the virus or before. so, we need to really pivot away from this. it really makes no sense for him to have taken it for two weeks. this was trialed at the university of minnesota in columbia in a five-day regimen.
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so, i don't know why he's been on it for much longer than that. >> right. i guess that's the real question. i know you would said he would have had to have extensive exposure for the medical team to give him this drug. we talked to that doctor yesterday who said they don't have results yet but they have seen negative side effects. but what does this mean that he was obviously he's been obsessed with this drug, but able to get his medical team on board? >> i think it's impossible for him to admit that he's wrong about something. so he's going to take the drug just to prove everyone wrong. and, you know, the fact that he's still alive after taking the drug doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. >> so i want to ask you one thing here because he doesn't wear his mask. maybe had he and the valet been wearing a mask, which we understand neither were, this wouldn't have come up. but today vice president mike
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pence was in a restaurant, it appeared to be crowding, no masks, no social distancing as you can see. just there it is. tomorrow president trump is going to a ford plant in michigan which required masks but wouldn't commit to wearing one today and hasn't wore one to any facility yet. ford plants have had to close because of positive cases in just the past day. what do you make of this? mike pence going to a crowded restaurant, not wearing the mask today? >> he should have an audience of 330 million. he has an audience of one. the only person he's trying to please is the president of the united states. his behavior is silly. everyone should have a mask on in every public place. the other thing he did which was kind of horrifying to me is he used a public soda fountain. you think of how people use that. they fill atheir cup up and maybe take off the lid and drink some of the ice and go back for a little refill. in the covid era, i would never
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fill a soda from a public soda dispenser like that. so, that's really disturbing to me. but no, this is just for show. it's disgraceful. it's an insult to the health care workers who have been really risking their lives to take care of people with this virus. put a mask on. show -- be an example. be a leader. >> all right. dr. ryaner, thank you. >> my pleasure. next a new outbreak in china, one doctor seeing something very different in the nearly 40 coronavirus patients he's treated and this could be important for the world. president trump threatening to withhold funding from states who are giving people the opportunity to vote by mail claiming it's illegal. flonase s. nothing stronger. nothing gentler. nothing lasts longer. flonase sensimist. 24 hour non-drowsy allergy relief
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tonight a new outbreak in northeast china forcing the region into, quote, wartime mode. one doctor who has seen nearly 40 coronavirus patients there says patients appear to carry the virus for a longer period of time and then take longer to test negative. this doctor happens to be one of china's top critical care doctor
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who is travelled to the site after treating patients in wuhan for nearly 100 days. it's one doctor, but a very informed doctor on this topic. dr. ian lipcome b. he w he spent time in china talking with them and researching the genesis of this virus. so, doctor, what do you make of what this doctor is seeing in the new chinese outbreak given his extensive experience with the original outbreak? does this mean that the virus could be changing in any way? >> this is a virus that appears to be fairly stable. that's not to say that it won't evolve and that it won't mutate. the question is whether or not the observations are accurate, and if so, whether or not this can be attributed to some sort of evolution of the virus. we just don't have enough information yet to be certain. we can, however, say the
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following. it's unlikely that this is going to impact the value of the vaccine because the vaccines that we're building right now are directed against a large portion of the virus and probably won't be infected by a small mutation even as it continues to evolve. >> even if it's a significant mutation, in terms of its impact on us -- i understand your point. but -- go ahead. >> it would have to change the whole envelope protein of this virus which is what we're targeting with the vaccine. so, i don't want people to take, you know, that this means that what we're doing at present isn't going to be effective. >> okay. so, that is good news. but when it comes to the deadliness of this virus in terms of how many people could get it or get sick, even if your percentage death rate doesn't change, if it is such that people have, as he's saying, even a longer inn incubation
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period. it could mean more spread and more death hypothetically from what he's saying. what do you read into that when he says this incubation period in these new cases is longer than the one to two weeks which we had understood was the case around the world now? >> well, for the most part the incubation period is five to seven days. the two weeks are really outliers. we will need to look into this very, very closely. there's much we don't know about this virus, and this may be some example. i just wanted to go back to your last segment because when i had covid, i took hydroxychloroquine. i don't think it had any impact at all. it was prescribed for me by infectious disease physicians earlier in the course when people thought it might be effective. >> well, that's important to say. i know obviously we're waiting
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for some of the prophylaxis trials. but i think that explains a lot. you had the virus and you were obviously very sick. you know, i think it's important what you just said about the whatever changes may happen or mutations in the virus if there are some wouldn't affect the efficacy of the vaccine. however, some of these possibly could affect the deadliness of the virus. i spoke last week to the director of the kawasaki disease center in seattle, with the kids, with the mysterious illness they get weeks after the virus. he's saying one region we're seeing it in the united states but not asia is because of genetics. he also said another reason could be this. >> the other possibility is there's a change in the virus. we know that the virus has had some mutations as it travelled from china to europe and then europe, it sort of reached the
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eastern coast of the united states. >> do you believe there could be notable mutations like this or others yet to come? >> well, i've been studying kawasaki disease for many years, chiefly with jane burns at ucst. this is an immune mediated disease, so it's not the virus per se causing damage in vessels. it's the immune response to it. is it possible? anything is possible. when we began studying this virus, all we knew about was the lung complications. and then we started developing multi-organ failure and strokes and heart attacks and loss of sense of smell and so forth. so, nothing would surprise me at this point with this virus. it's extraordinarily unusual. >> well, dr. lip kin, i appreciate your time. i always do. dr. lipkin has been extensively
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tonight president trump is threatening to withhold funding to michigan and nevada over their efforts to expand mail-in votings. but his claims about alleged illegal activity do not add up. abby phillip is out front. >> if people mail in ballots, there's a lot of illegality. >> president trump firing off a barrage of tweets attacking officials in michigan and nevada for making it easier for people to vote by mail. the tweets wrongly accusing michigan of sending ballots to all voters and threatening to
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withhold funding to the states because of election changes due to the pandemic. michigan is sending absentee applications to all voters and the state's law allows for any reason. the tweet prompts this response from gretchen whitmer. >> to see twitter this morning and rhetoric like this is disheartening because i think it first shows you that there maybe was a lack of understanding of what the secretary of state was doing. >> legal experts say trump is also unlikely to be able to unilaterally withhold funding congress has already appropriated because he dislikes how states are running their elections. hours later, trump correcting his tweet about michigan's ballot applications but still claiming the secretary of state acting illegally. she responded still wrong, every michigan voter has the right to vote by mail. sri the authority and responsibility to make sure they know how to exercise in right.
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white house press secretary declining to say what was illegal about the actions or whether trump could withhold federal funding and defending the opposition to vote by mail. >> there are several republican states doing these mail in applications for ballots so i'm confused what is it he thinks that's illegal happening in michigan. he doesn't specify. >> first with regards to the mail in vote, the president is the president. he's here in washington. he's unable to cast his vote down in florida, his state of residence. for him that's why he had to do a mail-in vote. he supports mail-in voting for a reason when you have a reason you're unable to be present. >> in nevada republican secretary of state pushing back on the president's accusation that the state is sending out, quote, illegal vote by mail ballots, saying she lawfully exercised authority granted to her by the state law to call for a primary election conducted
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primarily by mail-in ballot. in recent weeks trump has been fixated on the issue, sources tell cnn, pushing his political aides to be aggressive in combatting lawsuits over vote my mail across the country. trump's frustration growing as democrats legal victories pile up. al texas, a judge ruled voters afraid of contracting the coronavirus can cast by mail. that decision temporarily halted by another federal court on wednesday. >> now, this may be yet another case where president trump is tweeting before checking with his own government about whether this is even possible. he said today at the white house he had not spoken to michigan governor gretchen whitmer about withholding federal funds. he says now that he doesn't think it'll be necessary. i also spoke tie senior administration official who says no decision has been made about this funding but that official would not say what funding the president was even talking about and what authority he would have
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to withhold it. >> thank you very much, abby. i want to go next secretary of state mike pompeo says he didn't know he was under investigation before pushing to have the guy investigating him fired. does that add up? senator chuck schumer is my guest. new hit to michigan's auto industry, ford forced to shut down because of coronavirus cases. we tossed the stuff that wasn't working. stuff like foot-long bills and fees from nowhere. time-wasting stores, misleading ads, unhelpful help centers. and saved the stuff that was working. like verizon's 4g lte network. plus unlimited data, messages, and minutes. it's a simple system. trim the bad... make the good better... and way cheaper. meet visible. unlimited data on verizon's 4g lte network. just $25 for your first month. join us at visible.com. you're on it. exercising often and eating healthy? yup, on it there too.
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fact that the person he fired was investigating him. he says he didn't have access to that information. pompeo most likely did know of the investigations. sources telling her that the subject of a state department inspector general investigation is almost always made aware of the probe. chuck schumer out front. senator schumer, let me ask you this point blank. do you believe that secretary of state pompeo knew that he was under investigation, or do you believe him when he says he didn't know? >> i don't have direct knowledge of that, so i couldn't comment. i will tell you one thing. this administration led by the president just hides from the truth. they hate the truth. and that's why this is not the only inspector general who's been fired. i think there have been four in the past few months. inspector generals are supposed to uncover the truth ask approximate make it known. that's uncomfortable for any
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cabinet secretary. they're supposed to have independent and sometimes adversarial relationship. every other president has listened to attorneys general and inspoectors general. this president fires them. this is probably the biggest problem in this administration. they skew the truth. when the president hears something he doesn't like, he fires the person who says it. ultimately it relates to the covid crisis. if the president had listened to the truth, had not covid was a hoax, had not said that covid would go away in a month, had not said every person who wants a test could get a test, we would be a lot better off today. other countries have followed the truth and the inspectors general are just a symptom of this president who run asway from the truth when he doesn't want to hear it to the detriment of the citizens of this country in a serious way. this is a big, big issue. i don't know the details in the
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state department, but i do know that he shouldn't have been fired period. >> do you think secretary pompeo broke the law by doing what he did? >> we don't know enough facts. that's why the inspector general should have been allowed to pursue these cases on his own without interference from either the secretary of state and certainly without being fired by the president. its outrageous. it's outrageous. and he's done this time and time again. the head of barda said hydroxychloroquine is bad for you. trump didn't like to hear that. he fired the guy. it's like a dictatorship. it's not like a democracy. we depend on truth in this democracy, and this president runs away from it. and it's hurting the american people every single day. >> so, when you talk about the firing, obviously, the president has fired four inspectors general in the past six weeks. that is something president obama never did. as you point out, inspector generals often have adversarial relationships with the people
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they're supposed to be looking over whether that's the president or whoever it might be. there were 47 officials back in 2014 that sent a letter to president obama saying you're look, obama was hindering. look another this letter he got. >> the inspector general was designed to be separate and independent so that he could uncover or she could uncover wrongdoing. and every president -- presidents don't like hearing when they're wrong, but no one he's had this pattern of any time someone tells you the truth, someone starts uncovering something wrong in your administration, instead of trying to correct it, this president fires the person and lets everything fester. and that's why we're in -- that's why things get worse and worse and worse. and covid is the microsoft glaring example of that. >> sources are telling cnn tonight, senator, that cnn -- that the inspector general had also recently inquired about pompeo having dinners at the state department. they were all funded by
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taxpayers. nbc news had a break down of the guests. they said 30% were political leaders. all of those were republican. media figures 40% from just fox news alone. 14%, that's it, were diplomats or foreign officials. what do you mike of that, is that problematic? >> what i make of that is it sounds problematic. what i make of it is the inspector general should have been allowed to get to the bottom of this, make recommendations and bring it public. that's what should have happened here. again, i don't know all the exact specific details, but those don't matter. he should have been allowed to get to the bottom of it and present the facts as he saw them. he was not allowed. he was fired prematurely. and obviously, obviously people had something to hide or they wouldn't have fired him. >> and do you think any republicans will stand up to him? obviously when the president does a firing like this, he has to give notice. we've heard either nothing or pretty limp response from republicans other than senator romney who has been very
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outspoken. any chance that your republican colleagues will stand up? >> erin, this is the problem with the republican senate. we wish they would work with us, for instance, on covid. we wish they would stand up to the president when he does the wrong thing. but they are in total obeisance to this president. we've had them stand up for inspectors general in the past, but i haven't heard them do it in the same way now, and most of them don't do it at all. it's the same thing with every issue we now face. why aren't we sitting down together and trying to figure out how to deal with this covid problem in the covid 4 in the bill house passed? he goes to the "lurch" that they had yesterday and it becomes a launch pep rally, and a pep rally for what? to do nothing. he says he doesn't want to do anything. they bow down and say, okay. we need our republican senators, whether it's on inspectors general, on covid, on the
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president not telling the truth, to start standing up to him. they refuse to do it, to their detriment, to the country's detriment. >> senator schumer, thank you very much. i appreciate your time, sir. >> thank you. good to be here. >> we'll be right back. werful 2, non-drowsy, allergy relief plus an immediate cooling sensation for your throat. feel the clarity and live claritin clear. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills.
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tonight the future of the auto industry uncertain tonight. miguel marques is out front tonight. >> reporter: the auto industry, all important to the michigan economy, slowly inching back into gear. >> the face shield, the goggles and the face mask. >> yeah, you want to stay as safe as possible. >> reporter: safety and making employees feel comfortable, a temperature check before they start, some areas cordoned off to avoid crowding. first steps for a company like vin tech industries that supplies parts for the auto
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industry worldwide >> if you don't feel safe what can i make you to do to feel safe? if you don't feel safe, go home. what are you going to do? >> reporter: employers everywhere facing similar questions, how to reopen with covid-19 still a threat. when do you see full production? >> i don't see full production -- i don't know, i don't think it's going to come back full production till january. >> reporter: vin tech says it doesn't expect new orders for at least another couple weeks. because auto makers are inching back to work. this video from fiat-chrysler shows new entrances, thermal scans, masks, sanitizer and socially distant work and break stations. the new workplace reality. >> in stations we could not fitzgerald kelley move, physically move, we had to create barriers to distance employees. >> reporter: the university of
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michigan's research seminar and quantitative economics forecast, detroit's big three auto maker sales won't get back to near where they were until late 2022. a slow recovery in the auto industry will have enormous impacts across the entire state. >> financially, it's very difficult. my business is closed. and you don't have any income. >> reporter: laura wynn built her business. cleaning homes and offices for 26 years. eight employees and three family members count on its income. >> i worked too many years and too hard to lose it. i'm a very hard worker. my girls are hard workers. and this is the livelihood. so when you take it away, what do you have? nothing. >> reporter: winn faces a double hurdle. clients who might not want others in their homes and offices, and others who may not want to spend on cleaners for now. reopening michigan won't come easy or fast.
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now, another thing concerning economists are a couple of things. a big second wave, which would create another lockdown and crater consumer confidence and state budgets. the state of michigan on track to record a $6.2 billion shortfall in just the next 18 months. that will be a drag on the economy as well. erin? >> worse than any of us realized. thank you so much, miguel. thanks to all of you for watching. anderson takes it now. >> and good evening, a lot to get to tonight. hopeful news with vaccines and appropriate caution with it. everything on the president's mind it seems except the pandemic. even when he was talking about the pandemic, the one today recorded the single most cases in the 24-hour period around the world according to were. h.o. i which has taken more than 93,000 lives in this country